I went to sleep at 4 am and as I knew it I was going to sleep later than usual, I thought I would set an alarm at 9 am so that I could wake up, sleep less than I need and try an OOBE after one hour of wakefulness. It sounded like a great plan, except that I woke up naturally from my sleep at 8:52 am before my alarm would have gone off. I felt quite rested and I thought my chances of having an OOBE were ruined.
I, however, did attempt an OOBE after 1-2 hours of wakefulness and I had three weak Sleep Paralysis experiences. I tried to get up, but I was moving physically, or that's what I thought. I am never sure whether it is a physical movement or not if SP is weak. I remember I tried phantom wiggling and to rotate myself, but nothing seemed to work. I had remembered these methods from obe4u videos, but I guess I had not remembered all the separation methods I needed.
In any case, today, due to the Boredom there has been, I decided I would go to meditate. I went to my bed, I knew my mp3 player was charged and I just laid down on my back and listened to a few mantras. Suddenly, during the meditation, I started to feel sleepy and I turned over on my belly, as I usually sleep, and slept for another 2-4 hours. After I woke up, I realized that this could be a great way to trick my body and my mind while waiting to fall asleep for Forced Falling Asleep method. Tonight, I am going to lay on my back until I feel very sleepy, turn over and start saying my "magical sentence" that will bring back my awareness.
Notes:
1. Try different methods for separation.
2. Move even if I may move physically. Since I am already in the sleep state, I will still be able to return to Sleep Paralysis even if I moved physically.
3. Jump as higher as possible to see the town from a "Google Earth view".
4. Do whatever I can.
Friday, June 24, 2011
Methods
I have been thinking about such thread and I am finally going to write it. I am going to write and organize all the methods that I have tried and worked and also those that I've heard to be successful. All these methods will be separated into two categories: Pre-sleep methods and non-pre-sleep methods.
Pre-sleep Methods
These methods require a previous sleep, short or long, before the induction. It can be an afternoon nap or a long night sleep. The idea is to make sure you have had any sort of sleep before the induction. Here are some hours I have tried out and worked:
1. Bedeekin method. Go to sleep later than usual, wake up 1-2 hours earlier than usual, have a 2 hours nap between 6-9 then induce after 2/4 hours. Usually at 11.
2. Wake up 2 hours earlier than usual and go to induce in 1 hour.
3. Wake up in the middle of the night, after 2/4/6 hours of sleep and try to induce.
4. Go to sleep at 1 am, wake up at 6 am and induce at 7 am.
5. Let me now if you have had any other hours in which it worked to add them here.
Note:
Usual means when you go to sleep naturally and also wake up naturally. If you usually wake up by alarm at 7 am, it is not "usual".
Also, in all of these methods you may experience:
a) Tiredness because of waking up from the nap/pre-sleep. Not only may you experience this, but you should feel like this. If you don't, then you may not be primed.
b) The feeling of being very awake that you could never go back to sleep even if you wanted to. This may happen after the pre-sleep if you stay up 1 hour or more. When you feel like this, you should go and try to induce as it may be the perfect state.
Non Pre-sleep Methods
These methods are also separated in four categories: when going to sleep, during the sleep, upon awakening, anytime.
When going to sleep
The only method I know for this is called Forced/False Falling asleep (FFA). This may be a hard one as you need to let yourself get deeper in your sleep until you reach a point in which you know you are close to losing consciousness and "fall asleep". In that moment you should remember to bring yourself back to wakefulness. I usually say the sentence "This is a dream. It's false" when I reach that point and then I suddenly get Sleep Paralysis. You may start having hypnagogic hallucinations and you may notice you are talking to yourself and seeing images. This is the best moment you should say your "magical sentence".
During the sleep
I believe the only way you can have OOBEs during the sleep is from Lucid Dreams. If you ever get lucid in your dream keep noticing your surroundings and keep yourself active. Also, start asking yourself questions such as "Who am I?", "What am I doing here?", "What do I want to do?", "How did I get here?". The more you ask yourself questions, the more awareness you gain and therefore the closer you are to OOBEs. I, unfortunately, do not know many methods for Lucid dreams, but you can try looking at your hands and asking yourself if you are dreaming when you do something in real life you would not normally do or when you think something that is happening to you is out of place. Usually, these types of situations get in your dreams and if you are used to doing reality checks you may get lucid. Also, I used to draw an "L" on my hand to remind me that I was dreaming. I used to look at it from time to time. I have not had many lucid dreams, but my friends who found it weird certainly did.
Upon awakening
These methods are almost the same as those with a pre-sleep, except that you do not stay up and return to induction. You have to remember to remain still when you wake up and to try different separation methods. I will post a few methods for separation later in this thread.
Anytime
This is the method I find the hardest as you need to wait until your body gets relaxed, unlike the other situations when your body is already relaxed. I will not describe Phasing in here because I have never been able to give it a try and I am not entirely sure how it works, but I have heard that it is pretty successful. Here is a link to Xanth's Phasing with noticing:
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2011/02/01/phasing-with-noticing-a-more-detailed-explanation/
On astralviewers:
http://astralviewers.com/obeap-chat/noticing-a-more-detailed-explanation/
Xanth's Phasing Primer:
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/xanths-phasing-primer/"
Separation methods
One method is to imagine that the ceiling is a magnet which attracts you. You should also let go all your fears and let yourself float. Another method would be to imagine some ropes that you are going to use to pull yourself out of your body. Usually, if you have tried a pre-sleep method and SP has occurred, you only need to move. It may feel very real and make you think you have ruined your OOBE, but there are not so many chances of you moving physically. Just try it, there are enough methods for you to get another experience anyway.
Advice
Under no circumstances should you get excited of your experience as you may get out of your state.
Under no circumstances should you be afraid of anything as it deepens the experience. This, however could be used as a method.
Under no circumstances, should you force the nap or pre-sleep before your induction. All the naps should be taken when you are tired.
Why do PSM (pre-sleep methods) work better than NPSM?
When you try any of the PSM you and your body are in a state in which your mind, due to the REM stage and high brain activity can remain awake while your body goes back faster into its 'sleep mode' because it has recently waken up from a sleep. If someone has anything to add, just let me know. ;D
About Sleep Paralysis
Pre-sleep Methods
These methods require a previous sleep, short or long, before the induction. It can be an afternoon nap or a long night sleep. The idea is to make sure you have had any sort of sleep before the induction. Here are some hours I have tried out and worked:
1. Bedeekin method. Go to sleep later than usual, wake up 1-2 hours earlier than usual, have a 2 hours nap between 6-9 then induce after 2/4 hours. Usually at 11.
2. Wake up 2 hours earlier than usual and go to induce in 1 hour.
3. Wake up in the middle of the night, after 2/4/6 hours of sleep and try to induce.
4. Go to sleep at 1 am, wake up at 6 am and induce at 7 am.
5. Let me now if you have had any other hours in which it worked to add them here.
Note:
Usual means when you go to sleep naturally and also wake up naturally. If you usually wake up by alarm at 7 am, it is not "usual".
Also, in all of these methods you may experience:
a) Tiredness because of waking up from the nap/pre-sleep. Not only may you experience this, but you should feel like this. If you don't, then you may not be primed.
b) The feeling of being very awake that you could never go back to sleep even if you wanted to. This may happen after the pre-sleep if you stay up 1 hour or more. When you feel like this, you should go and try to induce as it may be the perfect state.
Non Pre-sleep Methods
These methods are also separated in four categories: when going to sleep, during the sleep, upon awakening, anytime.
When going to sleep
The only method I know for this is called Forced/False Falling asleep (FFA). This may be a hard one as you need to let yourself get deeper in your sleep until you reach a point in which you know you are close to losing consciousness and "fall asleep". In that moment you should remember to bring yourself back to wakefulness. I usually say the sentence "This is a dream. It's false" when I reach that point and then I suddenly get Sleep Paralysis. You may start having hypnagogic hallucinations and you may notice you are talking to yourself and seeing images. This is the best moment you should say your "magical sentence".
During the sleep
I believe the only way you can have OOBEs during the sleep is from Lucid Dreams. If you ever get lucid in your dream keep noticing your surroundings and keep yourself active. Also, start asking yourself questions such as "Who am I?", "What am I doing here?", "What do I want to do?", "How did I get here?". The more you ask yourself questions, the more awareness you gain and therefore the closer you are to OOBEs. I, unfortunately, do not know many methods for Lucid dreams, but you can try looking at your hands and asking yourself if you are dreaming when you do something in real life you would not normally do or when you think something that is happening to you is out of place. Usually, these types of situations get in your dreams and if you are used to doing reality checks you may get lucid. Also, I used to draw an "L" on my hand to remind me that I was dreaming. I used to look at it from time to time. I have not had many lucid dreams, but my friends who found it weird certainly did.
Upon awakening
These methods are almost the same as those with a pre-sleep, except that you do not stay up and return to induction. You have to remember to remain still when you wake up and to try different separation methods. I will post a few methods for separation later in this thread.
Anytime
This is the method I find the hardest as you need to wait until your body gets relaxed, unlike the other situations when your body is already relaxed. I will not describe Phasing in here because I have never been able to give it a try and I am not entirely sure how it works, but I have heard that it is pretty successful. Here is a link to Xanth's Phasing with noticing:
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2011/02/01/phasing-with-noticing-a-more-detailed-explanation/
On astralviewers:
http://astralviewers.com/obeap-chat/noticing-a-more-detailed-explanation/
Xanth's Phasing Primer:
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/xanths-phasing-primer/"
Separation methods
One method is to imagine that the ceiling is a magnet which attracts you. You should also let go all your fears and let yourself float. Another method would be to imagine some ropes that you are going to use to pull yourself out of your body. Usually, if you have tried a pre-sleep method and SP has occurred, you only need to move. It may feel very real and make you think you have ruined your OOBE, but there are not so many chances of you moving physically. Just try it, there are enough methods for you to get another experience anyway.
NEW!
When I was in bed last night, waiting to fall asleep I sneezed and got up like 90 degrees. I think this could be a nice method for separation. Sneeze as hard as you can.Advice
Under no circumstances should you get excited of your experience as you may get out of your state.
Under no circumstances should you be afraid of anything as it deepens the experience. This, however could be used as a method.
Under no circumstances, should you force the nap or pre-sleep before your induction. All the naps should be taken when you are tired.
Why do PSM (pre-sleep methods) work better than NPSM?
When you try any of the PSM you and your body are in a state in which your mind, due to the REM stage and high brain activity can remain awake while your body goes back faster into its 'sleep mode' because it has recently waken up from a sleep. If someone has anything to add, just let me know. ;D
About Sleep Paralysis
Thursday, June 23, 2011
OOBES/LD's/Dreams - Same place
I have been thinking why the new age stuff still seems to be the big deal and some people do actually claim they are real. People have been saying and believing in the astral, in the astral body, in lower or higher astral planes and so on. Who first came with this idea? Were they experiencing other types of OOBEs in which they had all this stuff or they are just lying to people so that it all sounds harder and people can give up?
As you guys may have noticed I barely use the word Astral and I keep saying there's no higher or lower astral. I say it is you or consciousness. Am I wrong? Are the new age writers wrong? I think both new age and "normal" terms actually describe the same one thing. Let me give you an example. When someone has a very vivid dream, it means they are in the higher astral. When the dream is not so vivid, it is in the lower one. I have been told this before. Also, failed attempts for OOBEs are in the lower astral and the very vivid ones in the higher one. This is what I know so far. Now, what if by "lower and higher astral plane" the people, who were not that "evolved" like us, described the difference in the level of awareness during dreams or OOBEs? I believe this is it. Also, OOBEs, LD's and normal dreams are as well only words to describe the level of awareness you had. The entire phenomena is actually just one thing. The only thing that is different is the level of awareness. By that, everyone would say that in an OOBE you should be very aware, although there are a few in which you are not. Are you sure they are OOBEs anymore? I have had OOBEs which slowly but surely turned into dreams or dreams that turned into OOBEs. It sometimes may be hard to describe an experience you have had because it started off as an OOBE, but and ended up like a dream. What was it then? I am posting this again with some editing.
dreams------vivid dreams----(lucid dreams---)(SP---)OOBE/Wakefulness.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20.
<<-------------------------- level of awareness ------------------------->>
I am sure there are people who have mistaken vivid dreams for lucid dreams. This is probably because they were so vivid and in control of them in which they THOUGHT this is what lucid dreaming is about. You have a lucid dream only when you know you are dreaming. You can be as aware as possible, it will still not be a lucid one unless you know you are dreaming. Isn't it disappointing a little? You did whatever you wanted in your dream and you still have not had an LD.
I describe OOBEs/dreams/LD's as "thinking without having a body". Theoretically, If your body was killed during the experience you would still be there without realizing it. This is exactly how it feels. Almost all of my OOBEs have been in or around my apartment and the only thing I could notice was that I was just as normal as I am now. I wasn't any soul, there was no silver cord, it was just I. From here, you can also notice that the separation is just an illusion. There is no actual separation and you do not always need it. We get the position when we get out of the body because of our perception of the physical body. We know we are lying in bed, that's where we should be. However, I have had OOBEs in which I felt I had projected from another side of the room. Also, in my very first experience, I do not remember to have felt any separation at all. I was either next to my bed or in my body. Lately, I have not even had a body in my experiences. I was just I, thinking and creating. You do not need a body in an OOBE. I sometimes feel like I am the world itself. We are just consciousness.
Experience dreams, experience LD's, experience SP and experience OOBES and see if they actually are a different phenomena. Once you are in SP, you are already in the OOBE. In fact "SP" starts before dreaming.
I just felt like just posting this. This is my opinion on dreams, oobes and LD's.
You may find more comments in here too.
As you guys may have noticed I barely use the word Astral and I keep saying there's no higher or lower astral. I say it is you or consciousness. Am I wrong? Are the new age writers wrong? I think both new age and "normal" terms actually describe the same one thing. Let me give you an example. When someone has a very vivid dream, it means they are in the higher astral. When the dream is not so vivid, it is in the lower one. I have been told this before. Also, failed attempts for OOBEs are in the lower astral and the very vivid ones in the higher one. This is what I know so far. Now, what if by "lower and higher astral plane" the people, who were not that "evolved" like us, described the difference in the level of awareness during dreams or OOBEs? I believe this is it. Also, OOBEs, LD's and normal dreams are as well only words to describe the level of awareness you had. The entire phenomena is actually just one thing. The only thing that is different is the level of awareness. By that, everyone would say that in an OOBE you should be very aware, although there are a few in which you are not. Are you sure they are OOBEs anymore? I have had OOBEs which slowly but surely turned into dreams or dreams that turned into OOBEs. It sometimes may be hard to describe an experience you have had because it started off as an OOBE, but and ended up like a dream. What was it then? I am posting this again with some editing.
dreams------vivid dreams----(lucid dreams---)(SP---)OOBE/Wakefulness.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20.
<<-------------------------- level of awareness ------------------------->>
I am sure there are people who have mistaken vivid dreams for lucid dreams. This is probably because they were so vivid and in control of them in which they THOUGHT this is what lucid dreaming is about. You have a lucid dream only when you know you are dreaming. You can be as aware as possible, it will still not be a lucid one unless you know you are dreaming. Isn't it disappointing a little? You did whatever you wanted in your dream and you still have not had an LD.
I describe OOBEs/dreams/LD's as "thinking without having a body". Theoretically, If your body was killed during the experience you would still be there without realizing it. This is exactly how it feels. Almost all of my OOBEs have been in or around my apartment and the only thing I could notice was that I was just as normal as I am now. I wasn't any soul, there was no silver cord, it was just I. From here, you can also notice that the separation is just an illusion. There is no actual separation and you do not always need it. We get the position when we get out of the body because of our perception of the physical body. We know we are lying in bed, that's where we should be. However, I have had OOBEs in which I felt I had projected from another side of the room. Also, in my very first experience, I do not remember to have felt any separation at all. I was either next to my bed or in my body. Lately, I have not even had a body in my experiences. I was just I, thinking and creating. You do not need a body in an OOBE. I sometimes feel like I am the world itself. We are just consciousness.
Experience dreams, experience LD's, experience SP and experience OOBES and see if they actually are a different phenomena. Once you are in SP, you are already in the OOBE. In fact "SP" starts before dreaming.
I just felt like just posting this. This is my opinion on dreams, oobes and LD's.
You may find more comments in here too.
Friday, June 17, 2011
My very first experience - December 2009
Astral projection or OOBE's wasn't what I wanted to learn or practice because I'd heard a lot of stories about it and I thought it was dangerous and I said I would only try lucid dreaming thinking that it is just a dream and you can always wake up.
I'd never had a lucid dream until one night when I said that I was going to read and practice more until I got one. I was so sure about this that I had my very first lucid dream in that night. ;D
I don't think that I needed to realise that I was dreaming because as soon as I fell asleep I became lucid. I couldn't see anything but a screen of an i-phone and I knew I had to choose the place I liked to be in. I chose a weird place that I had never seen before and then I saw a white door. I opened the door thinking where it would bring me to. I got in a weird room and there were a lot of skeletons on the floor, so I freaked out and then teleported somewhere else.
I remember having gone in many other places when I woke up next to my bed. I wasn't sure what had actually happened, I thought it still was a lucid dream.
I was next to my bed, saw almost everything in my room, even the TV turned on, but I couldn't look into my bed's direction. I didn't even want to do that.
After a while, I started to feel my breath. I was scared because I was breathing too slowly and I thought I was going to die if I didn't start breathing faster. I wanted to wake up but each time I tried I got back in my body but only for a second (in SP) and then again next to my bed. I had tried to wake up about 7 times before I finally woke up. I was scared but also amazed of what had happened to me. However, I could consider myself "lucky" because I had experienced sleep paralysis before and I knew how to get out of them.
After the experience I didn't even bother to try LD again, I got all interested in oobes.
I'd never had a lucid dream until one night when I said that I was going to read and practice more until I got one. I was so sure about this that I had my very first lucid dream in that night. ;D
I don't think that I needed to realise that I was dreaming because as soon as I fell asleep I became lucid. I couldn't see anything but a screen of an i-phone and I knew I had to choose the place I liked to be in. I chose a weird place that I had never seen before and then I saw a white door. I opened the door thinking where it would bring me to. I got in a weird room and there were a lot of skeletons on the floor, so I freaked out and then teleported somewhere else.
I remember having gone in many other places when I woke up next to my bed. I wasn't sure what had actually happened, I thought it still was a lucid dream.
I was next to my bed, saw almost everything in my room, even the TV turned on, but I couldn't look into my bed's direction. I didn't even want to do that.
After a while, I started to feel my breath. I was scared because I was breathing too slowly and I thought I was going to die if I didn't start breathing faster. I wanted to wake up but each time I tried I got back in my body but only for a second (in SP) and then again next to my bed. I had tried to wake up about 7 times before I finally woke up. I was scared but also amazed of what had happened to me. However, I could consider myself "lucky" because I had experienced sleep paralysis before and I knew how to get out of them.
After the experience I didn't even bother to try LD again, I got all interested in oobes.
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